Wai Yan non era uno dei 5 "draghi" del Weng, ...Se lo dice Iadarola...Ah, be...

Dopo l'ultimo viaggio in Cina, Iadarola ha modificato ulteriormente la storia del weng/wing.

Stanco di screditare Hoffman, adesso ha iniziato a screditare direttamente Wai Yan, che non sarebbe uno dei 5 maestri del Dai Duk lan, ma solo il proprietario dello stabile, semplice praticante dell'arte....

Riporto dal suo sito:

" The four dragons of Wing Tjun Kuen and their student Wai Chek Yan
With grandmaster Tang Yick, the project now included four members: , Sifu Lo Chi Woon, grandmaster Chu Chung Man, Sifu Tam Kong and grandmaster Tang Yick. The Wing Tjun masters discussed and trained every day. They also invited Kung Fu Masters from other styles to share and exchange their experience. Also, the famous Grand Master Yip Man, teacher of Bruce Lee, was often seen there, during a period of a few years. sifu wai yan studied during this time mostly under grandmaster Chu Chung Man and grandmaster Tang Yick unfortunatly he was not able to learn the whole system due to his busy buissnes life style(info obtained from the students of Grandmaster Tang Yick)

The four Wing Tjun Masters were called the "The four dragons of Wing Tjun Kuen" by the Chinese Kung Fu community.

The project was carried out, by Sifu Wai Yan as he provided the training facility Dai Dak Lan, Grandmaster Chu Chung Man and Grandmaster Tang Yick practised together for over 20 years and the decision was made to take the Wing Tjun Kuen form from grandmaster Tang Yick, the Chong Kuen from grandmaster Chu Chung Man, the Mook Yan Chong(wooden dummy)from grandmaster Chu Chung Man and the long pole system(Luk Dim Poon Kwan)with its Kwan Jong(pole dummy)from grandmaster Tang Yick, The Chief-Instructors and Grand Masters of Dai Duk Lan were therefore Grand Master Chu Chung Man and grandmaster Tang Yick together.

Dai Duk Lan was closed in the beginning of the 1990`s but Grand Master Tang Yick kept on teaching until his death with the help of Sifu Tang Chung Pak. In the Playing Field Road in Hong Kong. Grand Master Wai Yan also kept on teaching a few closed door students until his death and appointed nobody as his successor as he was not the legitimate grandmaster of the system however his last todai sifu Cheng Kwong carries on his teachings mainly Wai Chek Yans speciality the Saam Bai Fat, in the mid eighties sifu Cheng Kwong brought a german student of his on three occasions to his sigung to learn.

Today, all of the Grand Masters of the Dai Duk Lan project have sadly passed away. The art lives on in the west through efforts of a few men like the Grand Master of the IWKA sifu Sergio Iadarola, who learned privately in Hong Kong from the last master student of Grand Master Yip Man, Grand Master Leung Ting, his master student Allan Fong Wai Hung and learned the Siu Lam wing tjun lineage through sifu Cheng Kwong and the succesor of the Tang family and nephew of grandmaster Tang Yick sifu Tang Chung Pak and the last todai of grandmaster Tang Yick sifu Sunny So all in Hong Kong."


Ma combattere con Cesario, proprio no, eh, sifu Sergio?

Aridajeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......................

evidentemente le precedenti campagne diffamatorie non gli hanno portato più allievi...

Ragazzi x favore, sta pippa su Iadarola, il weng, Cesario e tutti i maestri cinesi pure qui no.......!

Vi siete chiesti, visto che a quanto pare ci tiene tanto a rompergli il culo, xche Di domenico non lo e' andato a trovare a casa o in palestra a sergio???
Eppure stanno a 2 passi....
Ve lo dico io: xche' ora, Cesario ha trovato il suo obiettivo, coltiva la sua passione e di rompere i coglioni a gli altri non gliene puo' fregare di meno.

IDEM per Iadarola. Sta facendo il 'suo', ha intrapreso la 'sua' strada e di sbattersi co ste rotture di coglioni non gliene importa una ceppa.

Personalmente, nella mia ingenuita', mi sento di affermare che nessuno dei due sfugga al confronto per paura di prendercele.
E' chi sta nei vari forum che si diverte e si masturba ad elucubrare sfide all'ultimo sangue, pena il disonore o l'infamita' nell mondo marziale...

Live and let live....
Time will talk.

p.s. balance non c'é alcun riferimento nei tuoi confronti.

marco, invece la vedo diversamente da te. secondo me si dovrebbero beccare e mazzuolare.

Per me hai ragione Andre', avrebbero dovuto scontrarsi. Ma qualche anno fa'...
Ora, spettegolare sui forum, ancora su questa fantomatica sfida, secondo me e' da repressi.

Marco non sono daccordo.
Non è vero che Iadarola si fa i fatti suoi.
L'attuale più grande collezionista mondiale di fogliettini scarabocchiati in cinese ha deliberatamente iniziato quest'ultima campagna, peraltro come sempre NON DOCUMENTATA e l'unico intento che può sortire è quello di rompere i coglioni a quelli del weng, sottrarre qualche allievo e delegittimarli.
Hoffman e Cesario si fanno i cazzi loro, sui loro siti, sui blog, sui forum non c'è ombra di riferimento a nessuno, postano le loro vittorie, qualche video e poco altro.
Poi a me non interessa più di tanto, ho messo questa notizia tanto pe' parlà...

Secondo me il problema e' che in questa storia, ci sono state sin dall'inizio troppe magagne, troppe cose non dette.

Da parte di ambo le parti.

Adesso c'é Iadarola che dice A ed ha i suoi seguaci, Hoffman dice B e ha chi gli sta dietro; entrambi dichiarano di avere Knowledge e Wisdom, riportano foto, fatti, lettere, maestri...

Ma piu' cercano di sbrogliare la storia con delle 'prove' e piu' il ''fattaccio'' si aggroviglia.
Penso si possa arrivare ad una 'fine' oramai solo decidendo di seguire uno o l'altro.

Sicuramente c'é gente come Fabio che ha vissuto e vive questo 'fenomeno' in prima persona, quindi legittimato a poter dire qualcosa, ma alla fine anche il suo sara' un punto di vista di chi ha deciso di seguire ''qualcuno'', basandosi sui fatti e sulla persona (in questo caso Hoffman).

Ed e' giusto cosi.
Fanculo su chi cia' il piu' cinese o il piu' originale; quello che conta e' lo stare bene con se stessi.


P.S. Che poi Iadarola sia uno che non ci stia ad avere il surrogato, il secondo classificato, il mezzo-originale, questo e' questione di carattere.
Per me lui e' il classico stereotipo del leader, con i suoi pregi ed i suoi innummerevoli difetti:
sta sputtanando B per portare avanti il suo A? Bene, ho lo si lascia continuare o si va in palestra e gli si rompe il culo.
Per me le A.M. sono cosi.
Ai posteri l'ardua sentenza....

marco è questo il punto.

non ho conosciuto nè l'uno nè l'altro, di racconti ovviamente ne ho sentiti e di tutti i tipi, pro e contro e proprio per questi motivi e altro vissuto nel mio passato, preferisco stare fuori da questo tipo di organizzazioni.

le chiacchiere stanno a zero, i cinesi sono molto poco seri e si vendono facilmente...i diplomini ormai servono solo per i principianti in cerca di qualcosa di mistico...

Ragazzi, la verita' e' che io c'ero quando Sergio ed Andreas si sono 'affrontati' la prima volta.
Ero li'.




All'inizio si decise per un tranquillo minitorneo di briscola sulla distanza delle 5 partite, ma poi prevalse la decisione di giocarsi il tutto x tutto a scopone scientifico e fu' cosi che per colpa di quel sette bello nacque la scissione....

Per quelli eventualmente interessati, la storia continua.
Sifu Sergio ha postato questo su un forum di Weng chun internazionale:

Hi all,

first of all im very happy that finally sifu Michael posted to really make things clear.What i myself can ad to the topic is the following.

i learned the saam pai fat the first time from A.Hoffman,when i got accepted by sifu cheng kwong it was quit a shock to see the form without all the bouncing,anyway sifu cheng kwong studied under sigung wai yan for about 30 years i have the fotos to proof it,there are even fotos from him with sijo lo chi woon.

its was therefore quit clear to me that the way to perform the form like its founders envisioned is different to how some in europe are teaching it.

sifu cheng kwong also has 8 mm films of sigung wai yan from the 70ties also there sigung wai yan is not doing any exessive bouncing like many do here in europe and he was a lot younger there.

i agree about the wengchun worlwide union and i think the forum was created for this purpose,the only challenge i can see at this moment are that some have to put the breaks on and have to start telling the truth.

i have a letter,actually i have many from hoffmann to sifu cheng kwong where he says that the only two grandmasters left of the weng chun style are grandmasters wai yan and cheng kwong and if they could please make him an official succesor in the family tree,he even drawed out how the certificate should look like.

at the time he was still not aware that sifu michael and sifu sunny etc were also practicing the art,so he had not yet learned the chong kuen etc
he found out about them after sifu michael contacted him by email.

the point i want to make here is that hoffmann never got a certificate claiming him to be the succesor of weng chun or wai yan,it was a certificate to be but in the family tree as a succesor of the lineage,above him on the same certificate is sifu cheng kwong even more interesting is that the certificate is signed by sifu cheng kwong and sigung wai yan and wengchun was written as chi sim ving tsun, if i have to i will post the letter here very soon
but best would be for hoffmann to come out and tell the truth.

in hoffmanns association a lot from the curiculum is coming from sifu michael and sifu sunny,why he has to say that he learned everything from sigung wai yan? he only met sigung wai yan for lessons on three occasions!

even a lot of the theory like the 18 kiu saos etc he learned from sifu sunny,for example the chinese charackters in hoffmanns book about the mottos etc are sifu sunny sos's handwriting.

again this is not to put anything away from sifu hoffmann,like i said before he is an outstanding martial artist and has a lot of skill its just about the truth,like i can never change the fact that i started to learn siu lam wingtjun(wengchun) under sifu hoffmann and i owe him my start with it and without hoffmann i probably would not have met sifu cheng kwong and sifu michael tang and sifu sunny so etc.

so for that im very very grateful to him.

sincerly sifu sergio.

Per chi non lo sapesse, Iadarola è un adepto della controversa chiesa/setta nota come Scientology.

Riguardo a tutta questa storia, è cosa nota ed evidente come stia nuovamente applicando la direttiva nota all'interno di Scientology come "Fair Game" contro Master Hoffman e G.M. Wai Yan

Ne riporto il sunto:


Ovviamente ogni buon scientologo a capo di una sua organizzazione applica questa direttiva nei confronti dei concorrenti.

Per chi fosse curioso, è la medesima direttiva insulsa che Iadarola applica da anni cambiando di volta in volta bersaglio (Yip, man, il Wing chun in se, le casalinghe, la EWTO ecc...), senza rendersi conto che gli ha fatto perdere tutto quello che aveva

Si salvi chi può (ancora...)

Edited by Shakubuku - 14/9/2008, 16:46

Ah...scientology, scientology...mi ricordo ancora quando su Hollywood boulevard un giorno si e uno no ci stava una tettona svedese che mi fermava per strada per arruolarmi (loro hanno una sede proprio su quella strada)...dovevo fare appello a tutto il mio self control per resistere alla tentazione

Direttamente dal Blog di Cesario, la risposta (secondo me molto signorile e profonda) alle illazioni dell'ex sifu:



I would like to share with all my readers my point of view concerning my style: Weng Chun Kung Fu, and the goal of our ancestors to spread this wonderful art.


In the early time our ancestors never kept any form secret, but they always try to teach: "the real secret was never in the forms or in the movements but in the actual time you spend training", this is the only substance that gives us the perfect skill.
This, together with the knowledge of our concepts will keep the value of the art always; alive, eternal.


This message of our ancestors kept alive in the heart of every master and pupil for centuries trying always to educate trough this message and to keep out those who wanted to get something else out of it.
This relates to a story from the sixties of a very famous wing chun grand master who was in contact, only for a short time, with our style in the Weng Chun home of the time, called Dai Duk Lan owned by the latest chinese master, Great Grand Master Wai Yan.


GGM Wai Yan, according my teacher GM Andreas Hoffmann, some Chinese articles, and those who also met him outside the Kung Fu world, can say that he was a wonderful person, the one who could speak his opinion with a loud voice, the one who could say: "Weng Chun is not based on political rank, but on skill".


This message of GGM Wai Yan was very difficult to follow, even difficult with some of his Chinese colleagues, because it was a message deeper than every technique or form, his message, was a message about life.
This is the time where GM Andreas Hoffmann could learn from him, because, GGM Wai Yan had the trust that Sifu Hoffmann could spread this message together with Weng Chun. This is why me and Sifu Hoffmann are very close, because this message is still alive in the bottom of our heart.


But like it was in the past, it is in the present. People trying to find themselfs in an endless political research to find out who "he" was and what "he has done".
The point is not, to search but to look inside, we all must look inside of us (this is the real concept of meditation).
The real successor is not who found the 'right' person with the 'right' Chinese piece of paper, but who really owns the kung fu skill and has the knowledge to show it, the one who transmits the skill to his pupils without betraying any of their talents, the one who owns the skill to FIGHT, the one who owns the right concepts in his lifestyle.
We honor our ancestors and GGM Wai Yan in this way, and in our family we all know that he never wanted a fake bow on his grave but his message alive in the heart of every of his descendant.
In this way everyone can be the real successor of GGM Wai Yan.
Sifu Hoffmann more than his real diploma of LO Family and GM Wai Yan's successor, showed me this and I am trying my best to do the same. This will always give me the opportunity to be close to GGM Wai Yan and to all our ancestors, this will always give me the opportunity to be remembered in the skill of everybody, in the heart of everybody, this will always give me the opportunity to be, ETERNAL.


Sifu Cesario Di Domenico

concordo...